Pro-Choice versus Death Penalty

Round 1
by Ivan18

Two things almost alike, one decides to kill you in the early stages of your life, while the other decides once you are an adult (over 18-21). As in all boxing matches, there will be no hits below the belt, in this case, God and religion will be left aside.
Normally people will have Pro-Choice Vs Pro-Life, but since we don't do things normal around here so we will go with Pro-Choice vs Death Penalty.

Definitions:
Pro-choice: An ideological position which defends a woman's right to have an abortion on the grounds of her inviolable autonomy over matters concerning her own body.
Death Penalty: A sentence of punishment by execution.

Although they both involve death, for some reason conservatives and liberals accept one but not the other. Pro-choice is supported by liberals while the death penalty is supported by the conservatives. So let us start one by one.

Pro-choice
Let me congratulate all liberals on this name, it sounds so nice. Who would go against something so logical as the right to choose? I'm sorry to tell you this but it is time to man-up, and call it by its real name, baby-killing. Just because the infant cant talk back does not mean it is not alive. I bet it makes you sleep better at night thinking that you exercised the right to "choose".

Face it, all you're doing is taking the easy way out. You seem to be against killing another human being even if that person killed a family with his own bare hands, but you don't mind killing a baby who's only fault was that you didn't use a condom, or that it broke. What are some of your excuses? "She's only 15, how can she have a child", I've seen lot's of cases like these where the baby grows up just fine, like any other kid.

You support animal rights with such passion yet you don't give a damn about humans. There are 1.5 million abortions every year in the U.S, but I don't see any of you protesting about it. But if someone were to kill a cat you'd be harassing his ass every day; requesting for fines and imprisonment. When all he did was exercise his "choice" in killing a cat, better than killing a baby don't you think?

So liberals, its time to face reality, quit living in that bubble of yours where you want to "fix" stuff by calling it by other names and protesting for insignificant things.

Exceptions
Abortions should be legal when:
1) Incest
2) Rape
3) Mother's health might be in danger
4) The newborn might be missing limbs or brain deficiency is spotted
5) (blank in case I forgot one)

Death Penalty
Ok conservatives, I know I said God and religion wouldn't be involved. But since you point at it whenever you find it fit, I'll point it back to you. I thought only God could judge people. Yet you're so creative when given the chance to end someone's life.

Methods (some are not in use anymore)
1) Hanging
2) Lethal Injection
3) Lethal Gas
4) Electrocution
5) Firing Squad
6) (comment on any other that you know)

I'm not a bible reader however I don't think it says anything about killing people with lethal injections. You say it is humane because they won't feel a thing, in case you didn't know anticipation and fear of losing one's life are the worst feelings anyone could ever have. So before you go around hitting people on the head with your holy book, take a look at what you support and ask yourself; "what would Jesus do?". Odds are he wouldn't sit someone on an electric chair.

Conclusion
If I had to choose who's life to end. I would prefer to kill a killer than an infant. What about you? Leave a comment stating your opinion and feel free to add any facts or hypothetical problems along with your answer; so that we can discuss it.

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What Really Happened In Honduras

Golden Rule
by Ivan18

The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

The story in Honduras is hard to tell because the left and the right wing have totally different stories. For the record, I'm a right wing supporter. But, I'm also very realistic and sometimes borderline cynical.

As with any problem, the best thing to do is to go directly to the root. I was chatting with a friend of mine today on facebook, I wont mention her name (It's Ivannia, she supports the left wing, go get her) but she actually gave me a good launching point. She said "Ivan, but you have to know that the only reason that the supreme court and congress proclaimed the 4th ballot as illegal, is because interested power parties are backing them up"

Ivannia, I couldn't agree with you more, those "interested parties" in the U.S are called Lobbyists, they spend over 100 million dollars to shift laws their way. No one hands out money without expecting something in return, the more they spend, the more they expect. Even though it looks spooky it is not illegal and they do it out in the open.

Taking a current example, in the U.S, at the moment President Obama is trying to pass a bill that will give public health care to everyone, something that seems great as we all know that hospital treatments in the U.S are very expensive. So why is this bill, that will help the poor, wont see the light of day? Because lobbyists for the insurance companies are spending big bucks on advertisements and on senators to make sure that their companies won't have to compete with the government. Allowing them to make as much money as they want.

Now that we have our setting, lets say that Barrack Hussein Obama decides "to hell with this, I'm going to pass that bill myself (something he cant really do on his own)" Wouldn't that be considered breaking the law? I'm no law student but I dont think "I decided to ignore the law because it is backed up by rich groups who are against it" would do well in court. I bet he'd be heading a press conference the next morning from Costa Rica if he ever did this.

For better or for worse, those are the laws, as they are here in Honduras. Congress had their own rich supporters, but Zelaya had his, and no I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about Hugo Chavez. Most left wingers although they adore the man, will try to keep him out of any discussion concerning this situation. Something that is utterly impossible seeing as how much money Chavez injected in ALBA and 4th ballot campaign. It'd be the same for me(as a right wing supporter) to deny that interested rich parties were against the 4th ballot.

Now that we have these two, Chavez and the Honduran lobbyists, that is were the fun starts. They are both looking for what makes the world go round, love, yeah right, power and money. Just as these lobbyists want to keep the money for themselves, the same goes for Chavez. Or will you tell me that Venezuela is oh so great and free? With a man that in 2002 promised that he would only do one term and then he would leave office, it's 2009 and he already stated he'd be there until 2022. Let us not forget Chavez's own coup d' etat in 1992, where more than 200 innocent people died.

We will never know for sure that Zelaya wanted to extend his term, or come back for a second 4 years later. But looking at what and who the man believes and admires, I could say that this was not out of the question. Calling Castro and Chavez my commandant, two vicious beings who have their countries under extreme oppression.You also said that he would call for a constituent assembly, but that they would never approve for him to carry out a second term. This is also tricky, he had already shown that he wouldn't abide by the current laws, what makes you so sure that they wouldn't let him run for office twice?

Honduras is a small and poor country, with enough campaign money anyone can be president. It wouldn't have surprised me that Zelaya could win a second term with all the oil money that Chavez could provide. Thank goodness we will never have to find out.

To answer our original question, some call it a succession of power, others call it a coup d' etat, but what really happened here was a clash between two extremely wealthy powers, one was defeated while the other came out victorious. Being as we are so divided, there really isn't a correct side, for you it is a loss, for us it is a win. History has shown us that whenever two political parties go head to head, death is standing at the doorsteps. I don't want to sound insensitive, but the deceased on either side, are merely casualties of war.

Feel free to comment and vote.

UPDATE:
What I (ivan18) believe is this:

As I said in my comment, because of the way it was handled it was a Coup d' Etat, it was either them with a self coup, or us. I'm glad it was us. Sometimes in life we come to a point where we have to decide whether to die or kill, to be stepped on or to step on. My fellow readers, this was a political war, and it took a coup d' etat to win, I don't and I will never feel ashamed of it.

Will Zelaya return as President of Honduras?

It has been a little under 50 days since the democratically elected president Manuel Zelaya was ousted from Honduras and exiled to Costa Rica. I won’t get into details as most of you reading this should know by now the full story. If you don’t you are welcome to google it.

I want to focus on the what are the odds of Manuel Zelaya returning to power . Let us start off by looking at what Zelaya’s allies are doing.

Hugo Chavez, by far his closest ally. After Zelaya was deposed Chavez started an international campaign to let the world know what had happened in Honduras. Everyone fell in line and for more than two weeks Honduras was the center of the world. Chavez managed to get the international community on Zelaya’s side.
Hugo Chavez’s now: After closing hundreds of radio and tv stations in Venezuela, Chavez is being hit hard by the opposition. Some international identities have taken interest in the situation. On top of that he has being in verbal fights with his neighbor country Colombia, over U.S military bases that will soon be opened close to the Venezuelan border.

Correa : The Ecuadorian president stood alongside Zelaya, he also join the campaign to denounce the current Honduran government.
Correa now: A few weeks ago a video was released. In the video, the FARC General admitted that he had given Correa’s organization money for their campaign. Media outlets are all over this news in Ecuador, making it hard for Correa to help his ally.

CNN: This network seemed to have exclusive cover of the Honduran situation; they focused on it like no other network did. CNN was the voice of Honduras to the world, even though one could argue that most of it was inaccurate information, which is a discussion for another day. They also supported Zelaya and gave him and his people a lot of air time.
CNN Now: President Obama’s Health Care is at the moment the biggest thing going on in the U.S.A. CNN has lost its ratings to another media giant FOX News. To regain their audience CNN is focusing completely on the Health Care bill.

President Obama: Although he never stood fully by Zelaya’s side, he did say that Zelaya should be put back in power. Chavez tried convincing the U.S to take a stronger stand on the Honduran situation, but it never happened.
Obama now: His time and energy is concentrated on his Health Care bill, which has been strongly opposed by the U.S. citizens. To the point that Obama is being compared to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin and other megalomaniacs. I can assure you that Honduras is the last thing on Obama’s mind.

Hillary Clinton: She took a stronger stance than Obama, but had the negotiations go to Costa Rica. Taking herself out of the picture.
Clinton now: With all the Health Care problems going on in the U.S, she has slowly distanced herself from Obama, focusing more on North Korea and Africa. It has being a while since the Secretary of State has given her opinion on Honduras.

Europe seems not to care, while Mexico has too many problems going on with the Drug Lords. Colombia and Panama also have other thing going on. The Costa Rican President caught the swine flu. All these different situations have left Honduras alone.

We are two to three months away from the elections, Zelaya's allies seem to be too busy doing something else. Do you think he'll ever get back in power? And if he does, what will happen with the 6 month he had left, will he extend his term to July 2009? Let me know what you think, and please vote on the left side if you believe that he will be able to end his term as President of Honduras.